jammy cobber I personally am not interested in hard and fast rules that’s me talking other sailors would have there own thoughts on this subject please don’t stop coming to the pond to sail because of my thoughts on the rules you are one of the best sailors I have seen and would be saddened to see you leave our pond I appreciated your help on setting my boat up for the days sailing and in the future Im sure as all hell Im gunna need good advice again this forum is for all of us to express ourselves so others in there own way can digest dissect and respond …. you have done that.. so it works jammy i meant no disrespect as you have implied …. for that I apologise unreservedly kermit la frog