Before we leave this particular site /forum dear Mr Tugboat Sir, I am not by any stretch of the imagination a leader well may be…….. I do lead my dog on a leash sometimes other than that no way if I were to be placed with a title it could be a wee tad of a stirrer but not in the class of your self because my informants suggest that your the best in the country So no more “just an occasional mild one ” please ” you sir are like my top gun flight school motto THE BEST OF THE BEST so feel free to jump right in an stir ( with gusto ) Regards kermit la frog